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thats fine :)

I think you're wrong =)

if you are willing to spend the money (15 a month) and the time it takes in an MMO, than you are a gamer and in my opinion you are not really a casual gamer. I don't see a casual gamer paying to play or going through 70, now 80 levels of experience. I know a lot of people that play MMO's, girls, meatheads, boys, and none of them are casual gamers because they spend forever on that game. Casual MMO gamers play Runescape or one of those other crappy free MMO's.

when i think of casual gamer, i dont think of someone who grinds and grinds to gain a level, that to me spells out more hardcore than casual. I see a casual gamer as someone who plays stuff like wii sports.

Think what you will

Um, really Voyou San? Cause I could swear there are a ton of meatheads and girls that play WOW that aren't even really "gamers". WoW is the most SOFTCORE MMO ever.

Are you suggesting that people who play WoW are hardcore?
If so that's the dumbest thing I've heard in a LONG time.

I am sorry, but if you are playing WoW, you are not a casual gamer.

I don't know man. There will always be a gap between hardcore and casual. It's just a matter of willpower and devotion.

Even if they do reach a similar level at some point, hardcore players will pull away again, eventually.

I can agree with that assumption. Game developers enjoy seeing us squirm as we try and level up where it's hardest to do so. Whether by dying or not enough XP from battle. But I'll be you'd become THAT much richer!